Did Kansas City Just Help Define the Market for Chad Billingsley?

January 26, 2009 at 11:55 am | Posted in Chad Billingsley, Cole Hamels, Zack Greinke | 13 Comments

It’s not often I get to feature Kansas City Royals news on this site, so let’s take a moment to reflect on trading Odalis Perez for Elmer Dessens, considering Esteban German, and the unfortunate acquisition of Angel Berroa as recent - though tenuous – ties between Los Angeles and Kansas City. Since I’m pretty sure that the Royals could dump their entire roster and still not be in on Manny Ramirez, what could they possibly have done now that’d affect the Dodgers? CBS Sports and their suspiciously Pete Hornberger-looking columnist Danny Knobler have the answer:

We’d known for a while that the Royals were interested in signing Zack Greinke to an extension, but today’s news of a four-year deal is still noteworthy. Finally, the Royals have shown a willingness to keep a young talent rather than trade him away.

Greinke’s deal will pay him $38 million, sources told CBSSports.com.

Somewhat lost in the Manny-mania, Furcal-kerfluffle and… uh… starting-rotation flu of this offseason is the need to start identifying which of the crop of young players is worth keeping around and getting them signed to long-term deals. Andre Ethier, Russell Martin, and Jonathan Broxton each reached arbitration this year; James Loney, Matt Kemp, and Chad Billingsley aren’t far behind. You just can’t go year-to-year in arbitration with all of those guys; not only will their prices increase every year, the complete lack of cost certainty ruins your planning. I think we’d all agree that Martin is the highest priority due to the utter lack of catching, and there are rumors that discussion towards that end have been had. Logically, wouldn’t a top young ace like Billingsley be next in the queue?

It’s not exactly a fair comparison between Greinke and Billingsley right now, because Greinke was arbitration-eligible while Billingsley still has one more year of low-priced servitude. That being said, let’s compare Greinke, Billingsley, and another young starter who recently signed a deal – Cole Hamels.

Pitcher Yrs/$ ’09 Age  Service  Yrs Bought IP ERA+ Extra Credit…
Hamels 3/$20.5m 25 2.143 3 arb-eligible 543 133 married Survivor babe
Greinke 4/$38m 25 4.057 2 arb, 2 FA 658.7 105 missed ’06 w/anxiety
Billingsley 24 2.110 1 more until arb 437.2 132 broke leg in November

Hamels and Billingsley are actually surprisingly similar – look at those ERA+’s – though the fact that Hamels was a postseason hero and already arbitration-eligible as a “Super 2″ player skews the comparison slightly. Still, Hamels is making $6.8m/year to skip out on arbitration, while Greinke is getting $9.5m/year to bypass his first two years of free agency as well. Assuming that Billingsley has another solid year, he’ll enter 2010 with three arbitration years left, but with better stats than Greinke. I mean, there’s no longer any remaining question about whether we want him around, right? So why not buy out his three arbitration years and the first year of free agency with a 4 year, $36 million deal? It’s more per year than Hamels, because it includes a year of free agency where Hamels’ does not; it’s slightly less than Greinke because while Billingsley is the superior pitcher, it only takes away one free agent year whereas Greinke just signed away two.

I really don’t expect anything to happen with Billingsley this offseason; not with him still being a year from arbitration and coming off a broken leg. But by this time next year, other young stars like Felix Hernandez and Jon Lester will be coming up on arbitration years, and if they’ve signed even bigger contracts than Greinke and Hamels, it could pull Billingsley’s price up even further. We all know we want him – let’s get it done.

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  1. Agreed. This whole youth movement rhetoric will be for naught if they just let them all go. :o

  2. This is one of those moments in time when I wished we had stronger ownership. I am sure that Neddie would love to get Billz and Martin under long term extensions, but until the Brand can win the lottery or find the Lost Dutchman Mine, I think we will go year to year and end up paying more because of the lack of liquidity by the Brand.

  3. Yeah…. that’s like asking chocolate to taste like vanilla… it just isn’t going to happen. I have no faith in Colletti and in the end Manny ends up signing with the Giants for 3 years 52 million.

  4. Yeah, I don’t think a deal like this is going to get done, but not because of bad ownership. I think that nothing is going to happen until either A) The Dodgers sign Manny or B) They completely abandon the idea of signing him. They’re not going to risk having Scott Boras come at them throwing this deal in their face asking “So where’s the money for my client?!” especially at a time where we’re pretending to be frugal because of the poor state of the economy. If we’re throwing money at a player when it’s not a necessity may prompt Boras, and by extension Manny, to believe that we have the funds to pony up a better contract than previously offered or that it’s time to move on because we obviously aren’t serious about signing him.

  5. I’m sure the McCourts would like to see if he can bounce back from his broken leg and perform well in the playoffs. Cole Hamels looked like an “Ace” in the 2008 playoffs, while Chad Billingsley flat out choked. Now, Hamels is getting paid, as he deserves to. Chad Billingsley and Dave Stewart can talk about how good the leg is feeling until they’re both blue in the face, but I won’t beleive it until I see him prove it. And I’m sure Frank and Ned feel the same way (Although Rafael Furcal didn’t have to prove he was healthy to get big money out of them, so you never know). Back to Chad, if he can come back in 2009, pitch like the stud he is, put up great numbers, and lead the Dodgers in the playoffs, then Dave Stewart can talk about that big contract. But, if he has problems with the leg, or he doesn’t look great this year, or he chokes again in the playoffs, then why shouldn’t the McCourts go year to year with him?

  6. That is the risk one takes in signing a player long term. But, if Billz has a great season, which I expect, his price will skyrocket. I know there is a huge risk in giving him big money now, but it will be bigger money come next season if Billz wins 20 or leads the team into the playoffs.
    That is the same risk with Martin, only made worse by the fact that catchers age badly, even one’s as athletic as Turtle. But, given that Neddie gave away our best catching prospect for a journeyman third baseman/rightfielder, we are west of the rock and east of the hard place concerning Turtle. Our best catching prospect, on the farm, hasn’t even caught a game at the professional level. Not like we have much upper hand in those negotiations.

  7. Ubaldo just signed a four year deal. It will be interesting how it breaks down. Good young pitchers signing right and left while Chad rehabs.

  8. It certainly will be interesting to see Ubaldo’s #s, but it’ll be harder to compare him. He hasn’t had the success that Bills or Hamels have had, and he’s even a year further away from arbitration than Billingsley is. 4 years won’t cover any free agent years for him.

  9. I agree with you absolutely, Bluboy. After Chad’s horrendous back-to-back outings in the playoffs, there’s no reason that the McCourt’s should pony up a four year+ contract for him. Even if he has a good year this year, he could end up turning into this decade’s Tim Belcher. Personally, I want to see more of him before I start throwing cash and guaranteed years at him.

  10. Caveat my comment with this admission: I own a Billingsley Jersey and have been one of his biggest fans for quite some time.
    I love the idea of locking the kid up … he and Kershaw are going to be our 1-2 punch hopefully for years to come. I think I’d like to see how he reacts this year leading up to his first year of arb. He had some mental challenges form teammates as well as some rough outings in the playoffs and the poor kid just snapped his leg
    “taking the garbage out”. I think 2009 will be a good test of his mettle; see what the kid’s made of.
    Nice blog, btw.

  11. I have actually been successful in getting chocolate to taste like vanilla. It’s all a case of mind over matter.

  12. I see that Tanyon “Ten-Run” Sturtze was signed by LA again though, so all our problems are over.
    God help them if that guy makes it back to the majors.

  13. He will have to take a number behind Vargas, Estes and I am sure that Ned will resign Loaiza for old time’s sake. Is there any fossilized arm that Ned won’t sign? I hear that Mark Redman is still unsigned.


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